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#13021: "Elo 400: create a threshold between strong players and expert players"

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Jul 11 th 2019 23:38 • Woodruff • Dette forslaget har ikke blitt analysert av utviklerne ennå:

This is justified by the fact that the relative strength between players is proportional to the difference of the Elo. So all classes should be equal in length. Since average players range between 100 - 200 and good between 200 - 300, this logic should be continued 100 by 100.

Apr 20 th 2020 12:08 • Woodruff • Dette forslaget har ikke blitt analysert av utviklerne ennå:

In Race for the Galaxy, I wish I could filter players above 400 because I know I don't stand a chance against them ^^

Apr 20 th 2020 12:09 • Woodruff • Dette forslaget har ikke blitt analysert av utviklerne ennå:

If you are interested, here's a post which goes into more details: boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=15155

Feel free to debate!

Jun 7 th 2020 15:28 • compte obelète • Dette forslaget har ikke blitt analysert av utviklerne ennå:

Well, I never reached strong elo (300), but my max was 277 elo (saboteur)

Sep 18 th 2020 18:31 • compte obelète • Dette forslaget har ikke blitt analysert av utviklerne ennå:

i understand now, a 400 win against me 300 in rallyman gt

Sep 19 th 2020 23:54 • Woodruff • Dette forslaget har ikke blitt analysert av utviklerne ennå:

Yep, that distinction is relevant when the game is popular, that is there are many 300-ish Elo and many 400-ish Elo, like in Chess, Race for the Galaxy or the game you told Rallyman GT.

Sep 27 th 2020 15:28 • compte obelète • Dette forslaget har ikke blitt analysert av utviklerne ennå:

The newers Elo's levels will be for the 400-500 "very strong" and for the 600-700 "apprentice-masters"

Nov 9 th 2020 08:51 • JollyBird • Dette forslaget har ikke blitt analysert av utviklerne ennå:

Yes make ELO ranks continue 100 by 100 so also 300-400 and 400-500 and so on; for all games.

Dec 18 th 2020 10:53 • FunKyMonx • Dette forslaget har ikke blitt analysert av utviklerne ennå:

I am used to various chess website where the ELO actually is able to differentiate between players. On this website me and all my friends are mostly stuck at a rating of 100. In chess ELO this value is mostly around 1000, so times 10. My advice: build a real ELO system that actually means something to beginners and experts alike.

Jan 29 th 2021 14:02 • ozangumus • Dette forslaget har ikke blitt analysert av utviklerne ennå:

Logical, good idea.

Jan 30 th 2021 19:16 • FunKyMonx • Dette forslaget har ikke blitt analysert av utviklerne ennå:

Sounds logical, but it's only an ELO label. It doesn't affect anything else except perception of categories

Feb 1 st 2021 18:11 • Woodruff • Dette forslaget har ikke blitt analysert av utviklerne ennå:

@FunKyMonx: not only. Introducing this new "label" enables you to filter people in or out "who have that label", to improve matchmaking if you wish so.

Feb 14 th 2021 09:51 • ebrabel • Dette forslaget har ikke blitt analysert av utviklerne ennå:

Please, please, please action this request asap. It's so frustrating not being able to properly filter opponents, instead having to leave the table open and then refuse to play with players below 400 (for example).

Feb 19 th 2021 17:13 • Ermi1309 • Dette forslaget har ikke blitt analysert av utviklerne ennå:

No comprendo

May 31 st 2021 19:23 • lus • Dette forslaget har ikke blitt analysert av utviklerne ennå:

pohybuji se ELO 150-250 a nejsem schopný porazit někoho nad 300, vždy to SW nějak zařídí aby vyhrál hráč nad 300, při jednotlivý hře můžu takt silného hráče odmítnout, ale na turnaji to nejde, je to diskriminace

Nov 8 th 2021 10:29 • ebrabel • Dette forslaget har ikke blitt analysert av utviklerne ennå:

Yes! Why on earth hasn't this been implemented yet?! Such a simple update, but would make finding suitable partners to play with much, much better! Please action this asap.

Nov 21 st 2021 20:07 • Wreckage • Dette forslaget har ikke blitt analysert av utviklerne ennå:

There also needs to be another rank at 600. One problem is in some games players reach 2000 elo and to give ranks for each 100 elo in impractical.

One added suggestion is that once you reach a level in a game, you keep your highest label even if your elo drops back down. So if you reached master, you would always be identified as a master from that point on. The new player bonus would need to be turned down since most players reach their highest rank in their first 20 games because of the crazy bonuses.

Dec 23 rd 2021 23:45 • jackg_tor • Dette forslaget har ikke blitt analysert av utviklerne ennå:

New 400-500 and 600-700 ranges would be nice improvements but i think the better suggestion was mentioned in Woodruff's thread, referred to above. Instead of allowing people to restrict games by arbitrarily defined levels, allow restrictions by a user-chosen ELO range, as the Boite a Jeux web site does. If that were done, the levels would not be relevant except as convenient labels.

This suggestion is 2.5 years old, has the 7th-highest number of votes (303) and yet has no acknowledgement from the BGA team. It would be great if this could get some attention.

Dec 24 th 2021 09:17 • e1q3z9c7 • Dette forslaget har ikke blitt analysert av utviklerne ennå:

EXACTLY!!
300 & 400 players are TOTALLY different level

Dec 25 th 2021 01:51 • jackg_tor • Dette forslaget har ikke blitt analysert av utviklerne ennå:

I still think that this should be done but I now have a work-around. You can use the presentation comments (replace "(no presentation yet)") with a comment indicating the minimum Elo level that you would like joiners to have. Of course, not everyone will notice the comment but expelling people that are too low is also an option, although not a particularly friendly one.

Jan 15 th 2022 20:42 • King of Games • Dette forslaget har ikke blitt analysert av utviklerne ennå:

This is kind of dumb. You already know that 450 is higher than 350. If you're playing at 450 rank, then you certainly can figure out which number is bigger without it having a different rank name.

Jan 18 th 2022 06:30 • TanyaTT • Dette forslaget har ikke blitt analysert av utviklerne ennå:

Yes, ELO and player level needs to be recalibrated for particular games. There are specific games where the ELO & levels match players well, and ones in which it is noticeably imbalanced.

Seasons is a good example. Seasons ELO alogrithm needs to be recalibrated.

I might have a very close or higher ELO than a player that has played 7-10 times more games than I, in a game where experience really matters and the player is actually much better than I. It happens all the time and it makes it very hard for me to end up in games with people who are playing close to my level. I lose virtually all the games and yet my ELO stays the same and I continue to end up paired with people who've played 1000 games to my 100.

Jan 25 th 2022 23:26 • JeroenDemeyer • Dette forslaget har ikke blitt analysert av utviklerne ennå:

> I lose virtually all the games and yet my ELO stays the same

If you really lose virtually all the games, your Elo would go down (not below 100). The fact that your Elo stays roughly the same indicates that your Elo is on the correct level.

I suspect there may also be an issue of real-time versus turn-based games. For example, I'm very much a turn-based player. I play much worse under time pressure, so my relatively high Elo might not mean much in a real-time game.

Jan 27 th 2022 15:01 • KongKing123 • Dette forslaget har ikke blitt analysert av utviklerne ennå:

@King of Games: your comment is kind of dumb. This is about matchmaking and table restrictions.

Jul 7 th 2022 23:29 • Woodruff • Dette forslaget har ikke blitt analysert av utviklerne ennå:

Up.to avoid automatic closure

Nov 4 th 2022 22:46 • KongKing123 • Dette forslaget har ikke blitt analysert av utviklerne ennå:

Mentioned: boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27677

Over 3 years without a response.

Dec 20 th 2022 17:07 • iris • Dette forslaget har ikke blitt analysert av utviklerne ennå:

I think this is a very good idea.
Along with this idea, 600elo and 700elo also need to be broadly distinguished. If you organize all the colors differently for every 100 units of elo, the motivation for elo climbing will be strong.

0: Iron
100: Bronze
200: Silver
300: Gold
400: Platinum
500: Diamond
600: Master
700: Grandmaster

Jan 2 nd 2023 07:47 • bananasplay • Dette forslaget har ikke blitt analysert av utviklerne ennå:

"Over 3 years without a response."

This seems to be standard MO for BGA for documented bugs and reasonable suggestion such as this one.

...meanwhile BGA admin continue to implement things that literally no one asked for, like a gaudy new game-listing page and more restrictive table options. :-O :-(

Jan 11 th 2023 12:16 • GhenaW • Dette forslaget har ikke blitt analysert av utviklerne ennå:

My problem is happening most of the times, it seems casualy but very strange

Jan 15 th 2023 07:59 • Wreckage • Dette forslaget har ikke blitt analysert av utviklerne ennå:

It would be a nice option to restrict the table to any minimum/maximum ELO, by typing it in.

May 31 st 2023 19:06 • blockmonoid • Dette forslaget har ikke blitt analysert av utviklerne ennå:

Replying just to keep this bug active. It's an easy thing to implement and clearly has a large number of users in favor of it.

Aug 26 th 2023 18:50 • shomai • Dette forslaget har ikke blitt analysert av utviklerne ennå:

In a game where I only allow strong players and below, expert players can join.

imgur.com/a/0ssGe3c

Oct 6 th 2023 13:04 • reablaz • Dette forslaget har ikke blitt analysert av utviklerne ennå:

They do not care.

Oct 16 th 2023 13:58 • Tony_the_Yogi • Dette forslaget har ikke blitt analysert av utviklerne ennå:

I'd like a Trophy for reaching 400 ELOs. I have 100 ELO trophy, 200 ELO trophy, 300 ELO trophy and the hardest one to reach yet, the 400 ELO mark gives no trophy? Surely BGA could create one...please :-)

Dec 30 th 2023 15:49 • Malo77 • Dette forslaget har ikke blitt analysert av utviklerne ennå:

A free elo filter option when creating a game would be nice and probably enough.
As said before allow restricting tables to any minimum/maximum ELO, by typing it in is a must.
It is flexible so it can adapt to any game / elo range and needs. Would be so nice !

Jun 27 th 2024 03:39 • Tony_the_Yogi • Dette forslaget har ikke blitt analysert av utviklerne ennå:

A 400 ELO Trophy/Badge would be great! The leap from 300 to 500 is huge and 400 deserves to be recognized.

Sep 1 st 2024 22:51 • blackcat91 • Dette forslaget har ikke blitt analysert av utviklerne ennå:

Good suggestions here, the option to restrict table access to player chosen ELO range should definitely by implemented. Adding a new ELO rank at 400 will be nice, Hope it will be looked at by the developers one day.

Nov 13 th 2024 05:20 • menettm • Dette forslaget har ikke blitt analysert av utviklerne ennå:

If for 400-499 ELO, a new level for VERY STRONG player is added then a 600-699 HYPER EXPERT must also be created. ;-)

Nov 20 th 2025 20:22 • BananaHarambe • Dette forslaget har ikke blitt analysert av utviklerne ennå:

I would also like a new 400 Elo category added for more options for rated tournaments.

Most games on BGA have randomness build in so the difference in skill between 300 Elo and 500 Elo is massive with that in mind. This is often the difference of winning 50% of your games versus >80% of your games via matchmaking.

500+ rating option is often too limited in players and 300+ rating is too wide.

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