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#8129: "Oort Refinery not properly credited for System Diversity"
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• Hvilken del av reglene ble ikke respektert av BGA-tilpasningen
System Diversity not awarded at end of Settle phase though three colors were available normally and the Alien Oort Cloud Refinery's power had been used that phase.
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Yes. Move ~#90 (last settle phase)
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Aug 25 th 2017 19:39 • ymarcow • Feilen har ikke blitt reprodusert av utviklerne enda:
The bug might be, at a guess, the incorrectly coded assumption that the card color type cannot be changed when there's a good on it.
I dug pretty thoroughly into that and can't find any support for that anywhere in the rules or the cards wordings, or in any forum discussions such as boardgamegeek.com/thread/715642/alien-oort-cloud-refinery where comments explicitly support (and none refute) changing type to a type different than the good.
I dug pretty thoroughly into that and can't find any support for that anywhere in the rules or the cards wordings, or in any forum discussions such as boardgamegeek.com/thread/715642/alien-oort-cloud-refinery where comments explicitly support (and none refute) changing type to a type different than the good.
Aug 28 th 2017 13:50 • galehar • Utviklerne ønsker mer informasjon for å kunne reprodusere denne programfeilen:
There is no good on Oort during the last settle phase, so it's hard to tell what the world type is at the moment. Having a good on the world doesn't prevent the use of Oort's power. However, the good type cannot be different than the world type. If you change the world type it also changes the good type.
You say that the Oort's power has been used that phase. Are you sure you selected a Genes (green) type? You did it before the end of the phase?
I'm considering adding the current chosen type for Oort on the tooltip, as it is currently impossible to tell which is the current type if there's no good on it.
You say that the Oort's power has been used that phase. Are you sure you selected a Genes (green) type? You did it before the end of the phase?
I'm considering adding the current chosen type for Oort on the tooltip, as it is currently impossible to tell which is the current type if there's no good on it.
Nov 4 th 2017 19:46 • ymarcow • Utviklerne ønsker mer informasjon for å kunne reprodusere denne programfeilen:
Still a bug. Hit this again on table #34927893 , when System Diversity wasn't awarded even though there wasn't even a good on the Oort Refinery.
Nov 4 th 2017 20:03 • ymarcow • Utviklerne ønsker mer informasjon for å kunne reprodusere denne programfeilen:
Hit a variant this yet again on the next game at table #34928384 ... Largest Industry still not awarded around turn #90 despite the three blue goods/worlds (and only two or the opponent)
Nov 4 th 2017 23:15 • galehar • Utviklerne ønsker mer informasjon for å kunne reprodusere denne programfeilen:
#34927893: from the replay, it looks like you changed the kind to novelty good (blue). You needed genes (green) to gain system diversity. The current kind can now be seen in the tooltip. Maybe I'll add kind changes to the log to make it even more clear.
#34928384: did you manually changed the oort kind to blue or brown before the end of the settle phase? You have to do it to earn goals.
#34928384: did you manually changed the oort kind to blue or brown before the end of the settle phase? You have to do it to earn goals.
Dec 12 th 2017 09:13 • gregory-us • Utviklerne ønsker mer informasjon for å kunne reprodusere denne programfeilen:
it also didn't count toward the blue/brown world bonus, either during the game or at the end
Feb 1 st 2018 23:02 • Marphod • Utviklerne ønsker mer informasjon for å kunne reprodusere denne programfeilen:
37355699 move 50.
Brown good on oort cloud, green, blue and yellow worlds, did not get system diversity.
my understanding is, regardless of the good on the world (which, iirc, isn't set until it is _used_, as irl games don't have color coded goods), the oort cloud is all four colors, all the time. A planet has a good on it, or not. What that good type is is defined by the planet it is on.
Brown good on oort cloud, green, blue and yellow worlds, did not get system diversity.
my understanding is, regardless of the good on the world (which, iirc, isn't set until it is _used_, as irl games don't have color coded goods), the oort cloud is all four colors, all the time. A planet has a good on it, or not. What that good type is is defined by the planet it is on.
Feb 1 st 2018 23:12 • galehar • Utviklerne ønsker mer informasjon for å kunne reprodusere denne programfeilen:
Page 15 of the BoW rules:
The Alien Oort Cloud Refinery’s kind is chosen when placed, can be changed by its owner at any time, and is chosen (once) before scoring.
So no, it's not all four colors all the time. It's one color, of the player choice and can be changed anytime, regardless of whether the world has a good on it or not. When it doesn't have a good, you can see the current kind in the tooltip. Changing the kind is also now logged in the messages.
Also, System Diversity can only be awarded at the end of the settle phase (hence the III in the top left corner of the tile).
The Alien Oort Cloud Refinery’s kind is chosen when placed, can be changed by its owner at any time, and is chosen (once) before scoring.
So no, it's not all four colors all the time. It's one color, of the player choice and can be changed anytime, regardless of whether the world has a good on it or not. When it doesn't have a good, you can see the current kind in the tooltip. Changing the kind is also now logged in the messages.
Also, System Diversity can only be awarded at the end of the settle phase (hence the III in the top left corner of the tile).
Mar 22 nd 2020 04:30 • winter_leopard • Utviklerne ønsker mer informasjon for å kunne reprodusere denne programfeilen:
See Table #67683785, end of game. I had 3 types and Alien Oort Refinery, so System Diversity should have been awarded to me. The bug may stem from the fact that when the Oort Refinery was placed, it asked for the type, and I selected Novelty. However, the cards says the type can be chosen at any time and at game end. Perhaps the solution is to also award it if the Oort Refinery is in play and someone has three world types, and potentially also be able to change the type at the beginning and/or end of every phase, including game end.
Mar 22 nd 2020 04:36 • winter_leopard • Utviklerne ønsker mer informasjon for å kunne reprodusere denne programfeilen:
Perhaps ignore some of my last as I see you can select the type at any time using the tooltip. However, automatically awarding System Diversity at the end of the settle phase when someone has the Oort Refinery in play and also has three world types may be a good added solution and will help eliminate some people's confusion as to why it was not awarded.
Apr 14 th 2020 08:03 • gabrielcdc • Utviklerne ønsker mer informasjon for å kunne reprodusere denne programfeilen:
I had this problem as well, table #74406489. I repeatedly selected "Genes" as the type but was not awarded System Diversity until later building a separate genes planet.
Apr 29 th 2020 06:33 • FlyingArrow • Utviklerne ønsker mer informasjon for å kunne reprodusere denne programfeilen:
Same issue. Game #80772981
May 1 st 2020 04:02 • FlyingArrow • Utviklerne ønsker mer informasjon for å kunne reprodusere denne programfeilen:
I could be wrong, but I'm not sure Oort Cloud is looked at AT ALL for goals. I had 3 alien cards (keyword ALIEN goal, not the color yellow), and I didn't get credit for it. Oort Cloud was one of the 3. I played a 4th one and got credit for it. This was a different game and I forgot to record the game number.
May 9 th 2020 00:07 • FlyingArrow • Utviklerne ønsker mer informasjon for å kunne reprodusere denne programfeilen:
This is marked as "infoneeded". What information is still needed?
Oct 2 nd 2020 20:36 • MotherFox • Utviklerne ønsker mer informasjon for å kunne reprodusere denne programfeilen:
Same issue game #115139623--- game ended with no option to configure oort cloud for system diversity. No one achieved it as a result.
Oct 2 nd 2020 20:38 • MotherFox • Utviklerne ønsker mer informasjon for å kunne reprodusere denne programfeilen:
No opportunity was given during the settle phase to change it, either.
Jan 20 th 2021 16:34 • galehar • Feil har blitt bekreftet av utviklerne:
I will make it more reliable.
Jan 27 th 2021 17:36 • AAASSS20 • Feil har blitt bekreftet av utviklerne:
adding another data point: boardgamearena.com/9/raceforthegalaxy?table=135138169
i settled oort refinery at the end of the game, and it doesn't look like it'll count for the diversity bonus.
i settled oort refinery at the end of the game, and it doesn't look like it'll count for the diversity bonus.
Jan 27 th 2021 20:39 • galehar • Feil har blitt bekreftet av utviklerne:
@AAASSS20 : you'll get the goal as soon as the settle phase is over.
Jan 28 th 2021 03:05 • AAASSS20 • Feil har blitt bekreftet av utviklerne:
indeed, i did get the bonus! i guess the fact that one player had logistics or something meant that the phase wasn't yet done when i thought it was. thanks!
Nov 8 th 2021 19:41 • gentil • Feil har blitt bekreftet av utviklerne:
after a settle for another world and THEN a switch, doesn't trigger it until the next settle phase, no matter the switches of color inbetween
May 2 nd 2022 03:03 • qzhdad • Feil har blitt bekreftet av utviklerne:
Similarly, the goal for blue/brown worlds isn’t awarded
Aug 16 th 2022 02:33 • skrohmagnon • Feil har blitt bekreftet av utviklerne:
boardgamearena.com/4/raceforthegalaxy?table=291935270
the goal for blue/brown is tied but I have 3 worlds and my opponent 0. I should earn 5 points not 3.
the goal for blue/brown is tied but I have 3 worlds and my opponent 0. I should earn 5 points not 3.
Oct 8 th 2022 18:26 • ColShaw • Feil har blitt bekreftet av utviklerne:
Ran into this just a moment ago. Fortunately, didn't affect the outcome of the game, but I should've gotten the Diversity goal.
boardgamearena.com/1/raceforthegalaxy?table=306657458
boardgamearena.com/1/raceforthegalaxy?table=306657458
Nov 22 nd 2022 18:32 • kourepai • Feil har blitt bekreftet av utviklerne:
I had the same problem. Blue, brown and yellow in the settle phase + alien oort, didn't give the system diversity.
Table ID: 320031934
However this is part of a bigger problem, please see bug report #70984: "Alien oort cloud refinery wrong implementation"
Table ID: 320031934
However this is part of a bigger problem, please see bug report #70984: "Alien oort cloud refinery wrong implementation"
Jul 14 th 2023 21:21 • bigmanz123 • Feil har blitt bekreftet av utviklerne:
Any update on what's going on with this bug? It just happened again at my arena table #396864140.
Sep 13 th 2024 16:25 • Argotron • Feil har blitt bekreftet av utviklerne:
I had the same problem. One interesting detail is that when I was producing with Diversified Economy, I got a prompt to "undefined" when using the +1 card per type of good produced benefit. In the end Diversified Economy seemed to behave properly despite the flawed text, but I should have won the System Diversity award and I did not.
Replay Race for the Galaxy #562186247
Move 65
imgur.com/a/U5Rww62
Replay Race for the Galaxy #562186247
Move 65
imgur.com/a/U5Rww62
Oct 11 th 2025 18:15 • houseofsuns • Utviklerne ønsker mer informasjon for å kunne reprodusere denne programfeilen:
I tried to reproduce this and could not. Most reports are incorrect as the System Diversity goal can only be awarded at the end of a settle phase. That means especially not at game end. I need a recent reproducer to track this down. Or maybe this was simply fixed at some point.
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